Cole's letter has several aspects to it that I'd like to respond to. First, he uses manipulative language that is eerily similar to the right-wing refrain about not caring for Iraqis if you are opposed to invading their country to slur anyone opposed to bombing Libya as uncaring about Libyans. This is probably not worth responding to in the main of this post other than beyond this because there are more substantive points that he raises, but I wanted to at least make note of it.
Before proceeding, I should mention that Cole offered supported the Iraq invasion back in 2003 on a delusion that military force would lead to constructive change and later expressed hang dog regret about his unrealistic expectations.
Cole's argument about Libya runs along on two axles. The first is making deterministic predictions about the consequences of intervention and non-intervention that conveniently support his position. The second axle is list and critique of the plausible reasons to oppose intervention.
Cole writes,
Among reasons given by critics for rejecting the intervention are:There is a very important consideration missing here, Cole is using a gross simplification of opposition to intervention to make his position look stronger. Cole's arguments for intervention make no such simplifications. Here is what he writes about supporting the bombing,
1. Absolute pacifism (the use of force is always wrong)
2. Absolute anti-imperialism (all interventions in world affairs by outsiders are wrong).
3. Anti-military pragmatism: a belief that no social problems can ever usefully be resolved by use of military force.
The implications of a resurgent, angry and wounded Mad Dog, his coffers filled with oil billions, for the democracy movements on either side of Libya, in Egypt and Tunisia, could well have been pernicious.Cole is making predictions about the consequences of intervention that are beyond the immediate situation, a bit of foresight that he does not allow the anti-interventionists. There are two lessons from the history of warfare that are inescapable.
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there are some problems that can’t be solved unless there is a military intervention first, since its absence would allow the destruction of the progressive forces.
1. the expected/promised outcomes of using force are never met.
2. the use of force leads to unpredictable consequences. Sometimes these consequences are echoes of the original problem, other times they are amplified.
Unexpected outcomes should be familiar enough, look at the original thinking behind the Iraq war. The war was supposed to be a first step in the long march of remaking the entire region, a popular phrase in Bush's foreign policy team held that 'real men go to Tehran.' Generals and politicians promised that the war was going to pay for itself and in a worst case scenario would not be very expensive. And the war would take just a few months. These arguments should be familiar enough to anyone reading this that I don't have to substantiate them beyond passing mention.
I don't mean to impugn integrity or honor of the humanitarian interventionists, but the most pressing question of their faction right now is whether an expression of concern can contain gun powder. The humanitarians who favored invading Iraq and Afghanistan felt sure that we were going to improve the lives of Iraqis and Afghanis. How did that work out? If the west helps topple Qaddafi, then what? Does the fall of a repressive government promise that another won't replace it, or that the country will fall into mini-dictatorships of warlords? If they fail to oust Qaddafi, then what? Qaddafi returns with an even greater vengeance or the west is now in the position of using economic embargoes to strangle Libyans - not Qaddafi - and a no fly zone. In the mean time, toppling Qaddafi is going to require the bombing of cities and infrastructure, dumping toxic metals and ordnance all over the country. The west is gambling with Libyan lives, that is our humanitarian intervention.
The second point about repercussions is the entire story of the 20th century and maybe all of human history; using violence to solve immediate problems leads to much greater suffering and violence later. After WWI, the Treaty of Versailles helped destabilize Germany, giving rise to the Third Reich and WWII. WWII led to the cold war and its related conflicts, including Vietnam. Its not just the big events, within each of these broad brush summaries are causal chains leading back to previous conflicts. For instance, who would have thought that overthrowing Mossadegh in the 1950s would lead through a bloody chain of related events to a decade long occupation of Iraq in the first decade of the next century?*
* Mossadegh gave way to the Shah, who was overthrown in 1979. The U.S. turned to Iraq as a counterbalance, leading to a long war with Iran and the first gulf war. The U.S. stationed troops in Saudi Arabia as part of that war, which incensed many hardened men who saw it as an occupation of holy land, these men were the backbone of al qaeda. They later flew a plane into the twin towers, leading to the second Iraq war.
Cole predicts that had we not intervened in Libya, the effect on other protests in the wider region would have been "pernicious." The opposite prediction is just as true. The rebels caught Qaddafi off guard in the first few weeks of the conflict before he rallied. The west had enough time to intervene and Qaddafi looked weak. What lesson do despots draw from this? To crush dissent brutally and quickly before a foreign power can intervene. This is going to have a chilling effect on any kind of reform movement in every country of the world. Despots have good reason to believe that they should sniff out anything resembling a protest movement before letting it build to the point that they look weak and risk becoming another Libya. Similarly, dissidents and rebel groups now have motivation to prolong fighting and provoke crackdowns and violent repression from governments if they believe their is a chance the west will eventually intervene.
My understanding is that exactly that situation happened in Turkey over a century ago. The Armenians believed if they caused problems, then Britain would eventually intervene on their behalf. Britain didn't, of course, and the Turks put an end to it by trying to kill every last armenian. The genocide and lack of international attention for it emboldened Hitler to consider his own final solution to the Jewish 'problem.' The Armenian Genocide remains a live political issue today.*
*Updated to correct the Turk-Armenian brain fart swap.
My point is not that intervening in Libya will lead to Hitler, it is that these consequences extend far beyond what is predicted. Another example of 'unexpected' consequences is the war on terror, which has only created more terrorism.
Cole dismisses another consequence of this intervention,
I also don’t understand the worry about the setting of precedents. The UN Security Council is not a court, and does not function by precedent. It is a political body, and works by political will.This, frankly, calls into question Cole's intelligence and I say that as someone who has found his informed comment quite informative over the years. To pretend that establishing precedents is not a concern is shockingly ignorant about how power entrenches and expands its reach by incrementally adding to and defending the status quo. That is how we got from a Constitution that clearly defines a Congressional-Presidential process for making war to the president deciding to bomb a country and inform the people later or not at all in a couple of centuries. Indeed, that reality provides a creepy back drop to this entire exercise. Cole and I are both pissing in the wind. Debating the decision to bomb Libya after the fact, as though our input has any relevance to decisions already made, is an example of how power expands and establishes a new status quo - to argue like this is an implicit endorsement of being a completely inconsequential part of the decision making process to go to war. That is not a new reality, but it is a precedent that is being set and reinforced at every turn.
There are three acceptable justifications of the use of force under international law.
One is defined in UN Article 51 as the right of self defense from attack or imminent attack. A second is UN Security Council authorization. A third, and far more tenuous, is 'humanitarian intervention', which must still be legitimized by the UN Security Council to be considered legal.
Humanitarian Intervention is a relatively new concept, but it is very familiar in world history. It is, essentially, the codification of the colonialist white man's burden as law. Humanitarian intervention is embodied just as much by the Vietnam era statement that "we must burn the village in order to save it" as preventing the genocide in Darfur.
One glaring problem is that people and states almost always frame their aggression in self-serving rationales. This is true of Nazi Germany, its true of Japan in World War II. It was true of the European genocide and conquering of America, as can be seen in the first seal from the Massachusetts Bay colony in the 1600s. It is certainly true of the American led assaults on Iraq and Afghanistan. The last honest conquerer might have been Attila the Hun.
So humanitarian intervention is an important tool for the powerful, as it allows them to get 'legal' authorization for the use of force for anything as long as they say they are doing it on behalf of the domestic population of the country they are planning to attack.
One of the most oft-cited examples of humanitarian intervention is the Clinton led bombing of Kosovo in the 1990s. Unfortunately for the humanitarians, its not a very good example as it exacerbated and caused the humanitarian crisis it was ostensibly meant to imitate. If one digs a bit into the documentary record of discussions between power brokers at the time, one of the major incentives for action was maintaining the credibility of NATO.
Cole closes with this,
I would like to urge the Left to learn to chew gum and walk at the same time. It is possible to reason our way through, on a case-by-case basis, to an ethical progressive position that supports the ordinary folk in their travails in places like Libya. If we just don’t care if the people of Benghazi are subjected to murder and repression on a vast scale, we aren’t people of the Left. We should avoid making ‘foreign intervention’ an absolute taboo.Walking and chewing gum at the same time to me means that we should not just consider intervening in Libya in the terms set forth by western powers. Walking is considering the immediate proposal, intervening in Libya. Chewing gum means that we consider the immediate proposal in context. What does the history of western interventions tell us? What do current western interventions tell us? What about the unforeseen consequences and predictable effects will the intervention have? Cole wants you to avoid all of that context as irrelevant and devolves into absurdity; according to Cole, the less one thinks about the western bombing of Libya in the context of western imperialism, the more nuanced and considered their position.
Cole's last bit of advice to 'avoid making' wars of aggression 'an absolute taboo' is both chilling and completely out of touch given the contemporary history of American foreign policy. Well, I guess if I want to be a respectable 'leftie' I better get over it.
Fuck yeah America! Let's kick Qaddafi's crazy ass! Bombs Away!
26 comments:
Juan Cole is Suspect Zero?
Personally I've never found him very worthwhile, and believe his affirmative rep in left-ish blorgistan is attributable mostly to his "exotic" Spanish first name, which doesn't go with his Anglican (or Anglicized German "Kohl") last name. "Exotic" is very hip these days. Especially for persons in positions of academic, pundit, or thinktank wanker. In Cole's case, he's "bi-ethnic" like Obama.
He's not as bad as the other Cole, John Cole of Balloon Juice, though.
Charles, I remember getting a lot of information from his translations of Arabic news sources circa 2005-2006. Things like the Iraqi President going before the UN and pleading his case that he should be allowed to say no to the Americans if they wanted to use his country as a base from which to fly missions into other countries, and being turned down.
Yes, he was stridently critical of Bush/Cheney and The Evil Rethuglicans in the White House and Congress right up until the Dems gained control over the Congress after the 2006 elections. From that point forward he became a bit more tepid. He's highly partisan, one of the many, many "more, better Democrats" guys.
Remember, from 2000-2006, it was easy for Team Donkey pundits, professors and pedants to criticize the Fed Government -- it was controlled by Team Elephant during that time.
What we see now from Team Donkey pundits and shills is an attempt to curry favor, as if to say, "see, I can support you -- will you give me a job?" It's crass, it's craven, it's sycophantic.
You did a good job picking him apart. His tactic of being vague about one's own themes, and overgeneral about one's adversary's themes, that's common strategy in political rhetoric. Good of you to point that out.
I thought the Turks killed the Armenians, not the other way around.
"I thought the Turks killed the Armenians, not the other way around."
lulz. Total brain-fart on my part.
CFO,
Yeah, it was aggravating how he did that. But it also dovetails very nicely with how he dismisses pacifists with so much derision.
My understanding of pacifism is that it is not just about a prinicple of non-violence, but recognizing that violence begets a chain reaction that comes back around and around. Pacifism is an attempt to break that chain. To not acknowledge a consequence based anti-war arguments is to just completely miss the point.
Justin, your prolificacy never ceases to amaze. I was glad to see this since, based on certain things I have been reading, mostly at znet.org, I find myself needing a talk down from the cruise missile radical ledge.
Like it or not, it seems to me that if people want to win this argument - which is a worthy goal - rather than sing to a chorus they have to contend specificaly with the following:
1. The potential size of the massacre promised by Qadaffi. I am seeing estimates of 100k. I don't know what, exactly, they're based on, but it's a big scary number. A lot of people will think that's a large enough number to warrant the risk of an intervention. So the question is, does the impending disaster on which support for this intervention is predicated have merit or not.
2. That there have actually been at least two interventions in the past few decades that seem to have done more good than harm - in Sierra Leone and East Timor.
3. That, if this intervention is, as you said in a previous post, a low risk way of rehabilitating the idea of humanitarian intervention, doesn't that suggest it has a good chance of succeeding? If it has a good chance of succeeding, should it not, therefore be supported considering the lives at stake?
I am not asking these questions as an adversary, certainly. But it seems to me that certain cruise missile radicals have been very thorough-going in making a case for intervention in a way that anti-interventionists have not. This is certainly the first time I have ever doubted myself on issues of this kind. I think seeing JRB get on board probably caused the most doubt of all. It's what provoked me to read more from other supporters and I regret to say, it had an impact.
I am not at the moment supporting the intervention, mind you, and, in fact, would like to oppose it with confidence, since I feel at heart the US poisons all it touches. Unfortunately, I honestly don't feel I'm there anymore
This discussion thread and, though i hate to admit it, Aaron Bady's piece at zunguzungu.com are what provoked me to second-guess myself.
http://www.zcommunications.org/libya-a-legitimate-and-necessary-debate-from-an-anti-imperialist-perspective-by-gilbert-achcar
Hockey Socks,
"That, if this intervention is, as you said in a previous post, a low risk way of rehabilitating the idea of humanitarian intervention, doesn't that suggest it has a good chance of succeeding? If it has a good chance of succeeding, should it not, therefore be supported considering the lives at stake?"
That is the crux of the matter. The point I am trying to make is that even if this is a strict humanitarian intervention and being played straight, it only has a chance of a good outcome. It also has a good chance at a bad outcome. Given everything we know about interventions, its a very good chance that it will have a bad outcome and very little chance of a good one. In either case, it will entail killing Libyans.
The optimistic assumptions of militarists always proves faulty. That's the entire point of the post. That's why Cole allows himself to predict what would be the consequences of intervening or not intervening to argue in favor of intervening, but doesn't give people who are against the intervention the same latitude.
In either case, it will entail killing Libyans.
But there is no alternative here that does not involve killing Libyans.
Are you a pacifist? I'm just asking out of curiosity.
Please believe me when I tell you I am NOT a sock puppet.
By the way, I liked your piece on Cole a lot, particularly the part about precedent. He really does seem like a credulous dumbass.
Hockey Socks, please don't say you are not a puppet. Believe me, that is far from my default assumption and I've seen your comments around enough to get a feeling. The whole SZ thing is one of the strangest things I've ever experienced.
It just keeps getting weirder for me, see this thread.
I am not accusing him of being a sock puppet because I find what he is saying to be incredible or so dumb that no one could believe it. What he is saying has nothing to do with I have such strong suspicions, its in all the other ways about how he expresses himself and the same clunky phrases and structure to his comments kept repeating.
I've seen plenty of long winded arguments at IOZ and elsewhere. I've also seen people who are excessively repetitive. At ioz's, inkberrow (I think) used to always bring up racial based arguments about intelligence. The thought of him being a puppet has never crossed my mind and I still find it inconceivable. Everything about SZ's thread struck me as off; he used the same clunky phrases, I caught him using repeats, didn't seem to actually be talking to anyone, and clearly had an agenda. He also had conflicting statements. Some of his text looked 'botty', like he was using software to help generate responses. Then I started noticing strange handles offering complete non-sequitors that would get him started again, like it was one person creating a conversation.
Anyway, I'm not a pacifist even though I think I get what they are doing. It's disconcerting to me, and I don't mean this as a pointed remark to you, how often this comes up if you are against attacking another country. If a country attacked us and I said don't hit back, then that is a natural question. But the default assumption seems to be that if you don't want to attack another country, you are a pacifist.
I normally America's military adventures myself and I am not a pacifist so I would have no reason to assume that about you. I asked only because of the ways in which you have expressed your opposition.
As i said, I am mostly on your side of the fence. It's just that this particular event has made me more ambivalent than I normally am. I haven't the slightest faith in America's good intentions. I have simply been entertaining the possibility, raised by others, that the greater good and America's self-interest could actually coincide here. I feel like a dumbass even entertaining the possibility but smarter people than I am seem to be doing so as well.
As for Synthetic Zero, I don't dispute that there are Psy Ops, but that has not seemed like the most plausible explanation for his behavior. I don't find it hard to take him at his word on most of the things he said, but your assessment is not out of the range of possibility either.
Hockey Socks, read this thread man.
He's been trying to get me to call a work number he's provided. Instead I started digging into his background and it all looks phony, then I started talking about looking into the people he lists on his web site as artists represented by his un-Googable art studio. They are real, but I could drop an email and ask about their relationship with his studio. This is what he says, "I only curate the shows called Synthetic Zero events. If you contact artists who showed in shows curated by other people, they may or may not know who I am. I post this only in the event you do decide to investigate this further, to forestall the "aha! so-and-so doesn't know who you are!" which might happen if you contacted an artist in one of the other shows. "Then another thought hit me, why is this guy still around? If wrote two blog posts about you, Hockey Socks, saying that you were a professional sock puppet for the military industrial complex, how long would you protest? Wouldn't you just conclude I am a nut and jet?
But what about a professional spoof? Wouldn't be too good if all that came up for his faked identity on a Google search were his web site and a blog post documenting reasons to doubt his reality.
There is still the explanation that he is a real person who really wants to convince a total stranger who he didn't know existed five days ago and whose only real interaction has been a series of crazy accusations that he is real. I mean, if I am wrong, then I must look like a total nut-bag to him. Do you spend days arguing with nut-bags on the street?
Either explanation at this point is incredible.
Hockey Socks,
I wouldn't presume to attempt to supplement Justin's already exceptional work on this subject, but I find that there's a template which is at least useful, when it comes to judging the state/corporate use of violence.
Call it the rule of magnitude.
If you dump a gallon of benzene into your local river, you will go to jail for upwards of 20 years, alongside paying a tremendous fine.
If your regional plastics or chemical plant dumps 20k gallons, they will pay a fine which rarely exceeds 5% of their total earnings for any given quarter, and very often, predictably, no single persons will pay a legal penalty. The magnitude of the organization shields its actors from harm.
The plants actions are routinely justified as fundamentally exempt from considerations of ultimate responsibility, because the size or magnitude of the organization presumably prevents the prevention of harm.
You, as a singular actor, are assumed to have complete and unmitigated responsibility for all events which occur in close proximity to your choices, because the presupposition of that responsibility rests on how we understand human selfhood.
Small, ineffectual and singular persons are always responsible for their choices (see the cultural treatment of black men, or single women, or of homosexuals, etc).
Powerful or large groups of people with multiple centers of control and acquisition are understood as fundamentally incapable of responsible choice, and are even more significantly conceived as compelled to act by events in a manner which is never applied to powerless and isolated persons.
This is the template of argument currently being used, right now, to justify the "necessary" (read, compelled) behavior of the world's largest military alliance against a considerably weaker opponent. The weaker actor is responsible for all of is choices. The larger literally (in this narrative) lacks any choice but reaction.
There's no reason for Libya to be an extraordinary case testing the intervention paradigm.
It's the same fucking game that's been played since kicking the aboriginals out of the place now called USA.
I'm not buying HS's gambit any more than I buy SZ's gambit. Sudden activity flourishes in a one-issue game. Turfing.
Justin,
That was a great post. Here is a link to a BBC blog by Adam Curtis which goes into the history of humanitarian intervention: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/03/goodies_and_baddies.html
Charles I have no idea what you mean by gambit or turfing.
I have made it clear that I am only ambivalent. I am ambivalent because people I respect have made strong cases for being ambivalent and other people I respect are replying largely with generalities and fallacies that don't answer to the specifics of this situation.
There's no reason for Libya to be an extraordinary case testing the intervention paradigm.
It's the same fucking game that's been played since kicking the aboriginals out of the place now called USA.
Well, the interventionist answer to that is that there is a people's revolution underway. Comparing this intervention to genocide goes to my point about fallacies. It's fine for people who are not on the fence but unpersuasive for anyone else. Like I said, winning this argument is a worthy endeavor. Anti-interventionists are not showing the same dedication to winning the argument as their pro-intervention peers.
This isn't about my comments, which are plain and simple.
Turf away, robot.
Turf away, robot.
Nah, I'm just gonna leave.
It's a dismal state of affairs when leftists think other leftists who don't applaud their shitass polemics must be robots or federal agents. Also, extremely grandiose.
I've opened a door I shouldn't have with SZ.
Hockey Socks, apologies.
I think if you wish to pick my brain or categorize my psyche, HS, you should talk directly about me.
I think if you want to figure out whether "intervention" can be "humanitarian," you need to check out whether you think it's okay to murder others simply to feel better about yourself.
If you answer in the affirmative, then indeed "intervention" may be "humanitarian."
Mind the quote marks.
And if you want to engage people, engage the people. Don't triangulate. When you triangulate, you smell like a ...Hockey Sock... puppet.
I hope the little eyes and smile on your Hockey Sock puppet were drawn anatomically correct and not anthropomorphized Disney style.
Wow... that is actually scary.
It's impressive how you CAN see a method under the whole "contesting comments" to create noise, and the same is now turning into an attempt to "burn the reputation".
Keep up with the good work, Justin. Different ideas have to stay around, otherwise the feeling that there are no alternatives just lingers on.
I hope the little eyes and smile on your Hockey Sock puppet were drawn anatomically correct and not anthropomorphized Disney style.
Keep swinging, fella. This will SURELY keep the curious minds coming back, who might otherwise be driven away by government funded sock puppets and turfers.
Oxy you really are the Good Housekeeping Seal of Circle Jerkery. I don't understand why smart people actually encourage you to shit all over their blogs.
Yes, by all means, I agree!
Hockey Socks Puppet should be the moderator here. Clearly, that handle represents a person with conversational heft in mind... clearly a person who seeks discussion of merits, and not of ephemera, wisps, ethers and vapors.
Clearly.
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